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> <channel><title>Comments on: Yeah, It&#8217;s a Class War</title> <atom:link href="http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/09/08/fighting-class-war-fighting-bob-style/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/09/08/fighting-class-war-fighting-bob-style/</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 01:23:04 -0800</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: bukboy</title><link>http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/09/08/fighting-class-war-fighting-bob-style/#comment-39147</link> <dc:creator>bukboy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 05:33:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/?p=15939#comment-39147</guid> <description>I&#039;m not a social darwinist. I&#039;m a universal Darwinist, and I would love to have a conversation about any valid criticisms. &lt;br&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m not a social darwinist. I&#39;m a universal Darwinist, and I would love to have a conversation about any valid criticisms.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Archie1954</title><link>http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/09/08/fighting-class-war-fighting-bob-style/#comment-39056</link> <dc:creator>Archie1954</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:24:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/?p=15939#comment-39056</guid> <description>The problem correcting the problem this time is that the party who caused the problem also spent the country into a problem which is one heck of a problem getting out of. The GOP have a lot to answer for and I have yet to hear the question.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem correcting the problem this time is that the party who caused the problem also spent the country into a problem which is one heck of a problem getting out of. The GOP have a lot to answer for and I have yet to hear the question.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: UnEasyOne</title><link>http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/09/08/fighting-class-war-fighting-bob-style/#comment-38711</link> <dc:creator>UnEasyOne</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:35:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/?p=15939#comment-38711</guid> <description>You know, I just don&#039;t have the time to educate you about the fallacies of your &quot;social Darwinism&quot; crap other than to point out that your assumptions about competing views being simply the product of ignorance fly in the face of history - particularly economic history.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Trade unions, tariffs and social justice produced the most educated and innovative lower classes in the history of the planet - salvaged from the Great Depression, caused by our last foray into the insanity you espouse.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I suggest you educate &lt;i&gt;yourself&lt;/i&gt; a bit - not only about economics and US history, but about the stagnation that always is the result of the kind of oligarchic rule you think you want.  Latin America is a good place to start.  Destroy the American middle class and you destroy the world&#039;s biggest market.  Then the only place you can sell anything will be socialist Europe - if they&#039;ll let you.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I just don&#39;t have the time to educate you about the fallacies of your &#8220;social Darwinism&#8221; crap other than to point out that your assumptions about competing views being simply the product of ignorance fly in the face of history &#8211; particularly economic history.</p><p>Trade unions, tariffs and social justice produced the most educated and innovative lower classes in the history of the planet &#8211; salvaged from the Great Depression, caused by our last foray into the insanity you espouse.</p><p>I suggest you educate <i>yourself</i> a bit &#8211; not only about economics and US history, but about the stagnation that always is the result of the kind of oligarchic rule you think you want.  Latin America is a good place to start.  Destroy the American middle class and you destroy the world&#39;s biggest market.  Then the only place you can sell anything will be socialist Europe &#8211; if they&#39;ll let you.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: annacatherine</title><link>http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/09/08/fighting-class-war-fighting-bob-style/#comment-38693</link> <dc:creator>annacatherine</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:05:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/?p=15939#comment-38693</guid> <description>Call it whatever you choose. What has happened over the last ten years is a well executed plan to create poverty in this country. 1. re-write the rules for declaring bankruptcy. 2. build too many houses. 3. make it possible for everyone to own a home. 4. sub-prime mortgages become available.  5. The markets crash under the weight of their own debt. 6. Record unemployment results. 7. Bad mortgages overwhelm a good portion of the population. 8. Refer back to #1.
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&lt;br&gt;Corporations now refuse to hire. Due to some higher form of intelligence they believe that their dream of an $8-$9 an hour can really come true. It can, but we shouldn&#039;t allow it. Keeping the Republicans out is a start.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call it whatever you choose. What has happened over the last ten years is a well executed plan to create poverty in this country. 1. re-write the rules for declaring bankruptcy. 2. build too many houses. 3. make it possible for everyone to own a home. 4. sub-prime mortgages become available.  5. The markets crash under the weight of their own debt. 6. Record unemployment results. 7. Bad mortgages overwhelm a good portion of the population. 8. Refer back to #1.</p><p>Corporations now refuse to hire. Due to some higher form of intelligence they believe that their dream of an $8-$9 an hour can really come true. It can, but we shouldn&#39;t allow it. Keeping the Republicans out is a start.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: TheElder</title><link>http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/09/08/fighting-class-war-fighting-bob-style/#comment-38694</link> <dc:creator>TheElder</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:48:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/?p=15939#comment-38694</guid> <description>If the middleclass were to stand united they could bring change. The problem is that the powerful interests in the US know that by keeping the middle class at each others throats they can never unite.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the middleclass were to stand united they could bring change. The problem is that the powerful interests in the US know that by keeping the middle class at each others throats they can never unite.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: bukboy</title><link>http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/09/08/fighting-class-war-fighting-bob-style/#comment-38695</link> <dc:creator>bukboy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:47:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/?p=15939#comment-38695</guid> <description>Nope. Neither.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The world is far less simple then the uneducated think.&lt;br&gt;Strategies constantly collide and only the more powerful are self sustaining. The middle class adopted the strategy of contentment with no wish to compete. They were sold the equality spiel by their idealist and very misguided teachers. But equality is a stagnation strategy.&lt;br&gt;Others worldwide who didn&#039;t have the luxury of stagnating middle class ideals were constantly bettering themselves and competing. And now they are superior.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The middle class is a relic.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;p.s. Im part of that middle class. I&#039;m just not angry at progress for forcing me to adapt.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope. Neither.</p><p>The world is far less simple then the uneducated think.<br
/>Strategies constantly collide and only the more powerful are self sustaining. The middle class adopted the strategy of contentment with no wish to compete. They were sold the equality spiel by their idealist and very misguided teachers. But equality is a stagnation strategy.<br
/>Others worldwide who didn&#39;t have the luxury of stagnating middle class ideals were constantly bettering themselves and competing. And now they are superior.</p><p>The middle class is a relic.</p><p>p.s. Im part of that middle class. I&#39;m just not angry at progress for forcing me to adapt.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: UnEasyOne</title><link>http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/09/08/fighting-class-war-fighting-bob-style/#comment-38685</link> <dc:creator>UnEasyOne</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:38:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/?p=15939#comment-38685</guid> <description>Spoken like a true class warrior - or one of their paid sycophants.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In a way, you are right, though.  Democrats (who the lower classes employed to look out for their interests) turned traitor in the 80s and joined the other side.  Hard to have a war when only one side is fighting.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spoken like a true class warrior &#8211; or one of their paid sycophants.</p><p>In a way, you are right, though.  Democrats (who the lower classes employed to look out for their interests) turned traitor in the 80s and joined the other side.  Hard to have a war when only one side is fighting.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: bukboy</title><link>http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/09/08/fighting-class-war-fighting-bob-style/#comment-38661</link> <dc:creator>bukboy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 10:05:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/?p=15939#comment-38661</guid> <description>There is no class war. There is only the obsolescence of middle America. &lt;br&gt;The middle class evolved on the protection of limited transportation and communication technology. i.e. locality. Now technology has expanded the reach of entrepreneurs to third world markets.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The reality is that entrepreneurs no longer have to entertain the whims of the middle class. They can get harder workers for cheaper off shore.&lt;br&gt;This removes the bargaining power and ability of the middle class to rally together and influence entrepreneurs with threats of bankruptcy. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The reality is that Middle America has to adapt. It has to change from holding incredible influence in small America to holding  no influence in the expanded Global America. Politicians have to accept the role of palliating the formerly powerful middle - while it slides into irrelevance.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Class war&quot; is a simple concept held by the uneducated. It rallied them to influential action granted. But it was never true.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no class war. There is only the obsolescence of middle America. <br
/>The middle class evolved on the protection of limited transportation and communication technology. i.e. locality. Now technology has expanded the reach of entrepreneurs to third world markets.</p><p>The reality is that entrepreneurs no longer have to entertain the whims of the middle class. They can get harder workers for cheaper off shore.<br
/>This removes the bargaining power and ability of the middle class to rally together and influence entrepreneurs with threats of bankruptcy.</p><p>The reality is that Middle America has to adapt. It has to change from holding incredible influence in small America to holding  no influence in the expanded Global America. Politicians have to accept the role of palliating the formerly powerful middle &#8211; while it slides into irrelevance.</p><p>&#8220;Class war&#8221; is a simple concept held by the uneducated. It rallied them to influential action granted. But it was never true.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: PerryLogan</title><link>http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/09/08/fighting-class-war-fighting-bob-style/#comment-38654</link> <dc:creator>PerryLogan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 08:30:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/?p=15939#comment-38654</guid> <description>Conservatism, American style, devolves entirely on the childish belief that the Merchant class are gods and can do no wrong.  It is inherently a class-warfare philosophy.
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&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;Virtually all right-wing policy statements reveal the naive belief that the business class are the super-race.&lt;/b&gt;  This explains such howlers as &quot;trickle-down economics;&quot; the notion that taxes are evil and the free market is the perfect system; the conviction that government needs to be watched constantly, while businesses need no supervision whatsoever.  All this stuff was obviously concocted by Merchant types with overinflated egos.  A lot of it sounds like it was made up by some kid in a tree house.
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&lt;br&gt;Merchants may not be the smartest people in the world, but Reagan effectively sold their goofy ideas (keep in mind, IQ&#039;s were at an all-time low during the 1980&#039;s), and they were clever enough to game the media and wage this class warfare for the better part of 30 years with virtually no one getting wise.   Predictably, the business class have made out like bandits, while the other classes get poorer and poorer.  The result is nothing less than the second Golden Age, with a Democratic President who openly admires Ronald Reagan.
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&lt;br&gt;And you thought only retards admired Ronald Reagan.
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&lt;br&gt;To their credit, the voters have been trying to undo the mess we have created--but the elections keep getting jimmied.  They tried to elect Al Gore, who was at least less wantonly corporate than hisn opponent.  They tried to elect John Kerry.  (In the primaries, they even preferred the less-corporate Hillary to the utterly-corporate Obama.  But here, too, the vote counts got funny.)
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&lt;br&gt;The voters elected Obama to clean up the mess, but Obama tore off his rubber mask, revealing the leering neocon within, and carried on with the looting.  Now the Democrats are preparing to gut Social Security!  Marx--both Karl and Groucho--was right.
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&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP2135KL5Is&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Surviving Jeb Bush&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conservatism, American style, devolves entirely on the childish belief that the Merchant class are gods and can do no wrong.  It is inherently a class-warfare philosophy.</p><p><b>Virtually all right-wing policy statements reveal the naive belief that the business class are the super-race.</b> This explains such howlers as &#8220;trickle-down economics;&#8221; the notion that taxes are evil and the free market is the perfect system; the conviction that government needs to be watched constantly, while businesses need no supervision whatsoever.  All this stuff was obviously concocted by Merchant types with overinflated egos.  A lot of it sounds like it was made up by some kid in a tree house.</p><p>Merchants may not be the smartest people in the world, but Reagan effectively sold their goofy ideas (keep in mind, IQ&#39;s were at an all-time low during the 1980&#39;s), and they were clever enough to game the media and wage this class warfare for the better part of 30 years with virtually no one getting wise.   Predictably, the business class have made out like bandits, while the other classes get poorer and poorer.  The result is nothing less than the second Golden Age, with a Democratic President who openly admires Ronald Reagan.</p><p>And you thought only retards admired Ronald Reagan.</p><p>To their credit, the voters have been trying to undo the mess we have created&#8211;but the elections keep getting jimmied.  They tried to elect Al Gore, who was at least less wantonly corporate than hisn opponent.  They tried to elect John Kerry.  (In the primaries, they even preferred the less-corporate Hillary to the utterly-corporate Obama.  But here, too, the vote counts got funny.)</p><p>The voters elected Obama to clean up the mess, but Obama tore off his rubber mask, revealing the leering neocon within, and carried on with the looting.  Now the Democrats are preparing to gut Social Security!  Marx&#8211;both Karl and Groucho&#8211;was right.</p><p><a
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP2135KL5Is" rel="nofollow">Surviving Jeb Bush</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: SF</title><link>http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/09/08/fighting-class-war-fighting-bob-style/#comment-38607</link> <dc:creator>SF</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 00:16:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/?p=15939#comment-38607</guid> <description>Yes, we are in the midst of a class war, which the rich are waging on us. Until we stand up to the elitist billionaires and the politicians who enable them, we will be dealing with lower standards of living, a shrinking economy, joblessness, global warming, et al.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And how do these villainous billionaires accomplish their selfish ends - by whipping the masses into a frenzy about the evil government and its &quot;fascist, communist, socialist, Clinton, Hillary, Obama, Hitler&quot; Democratic leaders who want to steal your money in order to give it to your lazy neighbor down the street while forcing you to marry the gay man around the corner and throwing you out of work because the multi-billion corporations can’t possibly survive with any regulations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So how do we fight back? By calling them what they are: thieves. Read our modest proposal, &quot;Eat The Rich,&quot; to find out more.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thedonkeyedge.com/2010/08/31/eat-the-rich&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://thedonkeyedge.com/2010/08/31/eat-the-rich&lt;/a&gt;/</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we are in the midst of a class war, which the rich are waging on us. Until we stand up to the elitist billionaires and the politicians who enable them, we will be dealing with lower standards of living, a shrinking economy, joblessness, global warming, et al.</p><p>And how do these villainous billionaires accomplish their selfish ends &#8211; by whipping the masses into a frenzy about the evil government and its &#8220;fascist, communist, socialist, Clinton, Hillary, Obama, Hitler&#8221; Democratic leaders who want to steal your money in order to give it to your lazy neighbor down the street while forcing you to marry the gay man around the corner and throwing you out of work because the multi-billion corporations can’t possibly survive with any regulations.</p><p>So how do we fight back? By calling them what they are: thieves. Read our modest proposal, &#8220;Eat The Rich,&#8221; to find out more.</p><p><a
href="http://thedonkeyedge.com/2010/08/31/eat-the-rich" rel="nofollow">http://thedonkeyedge.com/2010/08/31/eat-the-rich</a>/</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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